April Fools! Ha ha ha… you actually thought Kyle Lohse was a front-line pitcher with a sub 2 ERA!? You buffoon!! I mean you really need to get out more! Yeah, that was a good one TLR and Dunc pulled on us, but I knew right from the second game of the season this was nothing more than an elaborate joke- really- Kyle Lohse? I guess now that the cat is out of the bag we can stop pretending to have those silly little ‘Is this guy for real’ convos. He’s not. But boy can he eat up innings after being shellacked… It’s on to Milwaukee and this time we will get Ben Sheets. At 16-18 the Brew Crew is looking to make up some serious ground in the NL Central this weekend – plus the bonus Monday game. The good news? Kyle Loshse won’t be starting any of those games. Now some links for you on a Friday morning…
- The Mississippi River has 92 lb carps. This guy shot one with a Bow. LINK HERE
- Stick with this one, great stuff. Creepy, but great. Link Here
- Knowing who Razor Ramon is or isn’t won’t ruin this clip. Link Here
- Athletes, Coaches…and thier secrect lovers. Damn Bel-a-cheat! Link Here
- You have a boyfriend? Uh oh. Link Here (NSFW-Language)
- People eating hamburgers. Fast. God Bless America. Link Here
- Goose attacks dog. Then gets the camera man. Link Here
Have a hell of a weekend.
Sphere: Related ContentHey, a rare May trade rumor! This one involving - surprise - Anthony Reyes.
According to a report today in the Rocky Mountain News, the Rockies have inquired about Reyes to bolster a rotation now led by Aaron Cook and his unlikely 2.40 ERA. The next best starter is Jeff Francis, their #1, who has a 5.27 ERA and an 0-3 record. He went 17-9 last year with a 4.22 ERA. So, yeah, they need pitching help.
Not sure how Anthony Reyes, a flyball pitcher known for working high in the zone, would work out pitching half his games at Coors Field. Even starts in the spacious home parks of their division rivals - LA, San Diego, and San Fran - would even out those home starts and any starts in Arizona.
The Cards reportedly insist on a substantial return for Reyes, and they must be basing that price on those flashes of potential he once showed. The move to Memphis is an obvious sign they’re trying to trade him by letting him pitch every five days again in the hopes he can dominate and prove he’s still got something left, just needs a change of venue. According to the link above, the Cards are looking for a top tier prospect and another piece. Such a deal seems hard to fathom. But the Cards decision to put him in the Memphis rotation might up his stock if he can pitch well there. Let’s indulge the fantasy for a minute.
Here’s John Sickles list of Top 20 Rockies prospects.
Casey Weathers is a relief pitcher with AA Tulsa. He’s got some nice numbers, but the Cards don’t really need a right handed reliever, do they? On the other hand, you can never have too much pitching.
Ian Stewart tantalizes the senses. He’s a top of the line 3B prospect that the Rockies are rumored to be considering moving Garrett Atkins or not signing him to a long term deal in order to get Stewart into their rotation. Glaus has a player option for 2009 for $11+ million, and only a fool would walk away from that. With his injury risk and what’s in the farm system, getting a legit 3B prospect would be a dream for the Cards…unfortunately, it’s a pipe dream to think that they’d trade him for Reyes.
Middle infielders Hector Gomez and Chris Nelson are intriguing. With the team heavily invested in last year’s first round pick SS Pete Kozma, I suspect one of those two would have to learn 2B, which is fine. Nelson’s 23, and registered an .861 OPS in A ball last year, but in AA this year his OPS is just .669 without much in the way of power. At least Hoffpauir’s made it to AAA, but he’s not shown much power at that level yet either.
Those are just a couple of possibilities, albeit remote. Reyes needs to find a place with a good pitching coach and get a fresh start. Once he starts seeing those balls fly over the fence in Colorado, that might be it for the kid. As it stands now, unless he just starts mowing them down in Memphis, Reyes isn’t going to fetch a top flight prospect now that top flight flight prospects have become the new experienced veterans around the majors.
And in case you’re not a fan of 60s and 70s B-movies, here’s the link that explains the title reference.
Sphere: Related ContentBad night for the Birds. Bad, bad night. Call me the grim reaper, but even the hot start to 2008 doesn’t blind me to the undisputable fact that this Cardinal team is not nearly as talented as the Chicago Cubs. Harder working, easier to root for, wants it more? Yes- clearly up until this point. But if you think of the MLB season as a marathon, as it is oft compared, then last night was akin to forgoing a water station- a necessity missed.
Earlier on Wed., the Cubs were smoked by the lowly Reds. Free money for the Cardinals who had their ace, Adam Wainwright, on the mound and ready to capitalize on a demoralized defended NL Champion. As expected- AW was awesome, lining us up for a win and essentially another 2 game up tick in the NL Central standings. Unfortunately the save was blown and we’re no better off this morning than we were the day before.
Optimists will shrug off the loss as no big deal- nothing lost or gained. Bull Shit. If we really think this team can contend for a playoff spot- really content, not just hang in there for a few months- than we simply can not piss away games when our best pitcher has done his job. Historically, since the realignment, most divisions have been won by a margin of 5 games or fewer. 5 games. Out of 162. For every game we loose like last night (i.e. Pujols not catching a foul ball. Pujols leaving the bases loaded. Pujols leaving 3 other runners on.) We’ve got to make one up in an improbable way. In 2008, I’ve seen about three of these losses for the Cardinals, but not so much a win. Meaning on this +/ - 5 scale I have, we’re about a -8. We need to be at 0 to win the division. Since we’re not opposed to piling on a dude while he’s down (in the least gay way possible), we’ll call this number the ‘Izzy Quotient’. In other words, how close are we to winning 5 more games than we should have as opposed to losing games we must win. I’m pretty sure Bill James hasn’t come up with this one yet. (?)
I’ll be sure to update this as we hit certain touchstone games in season, but as we stand now, it’s a -8.
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So yesterday I was drooling all over Albert for his baserunning skills, which according to the fans of the CD are apparently not as good as I thought. But when you have the huftspa to do what he did, then you are a good baserunner. Cased closed.
But last night’s game seemed to bleep a different tune on my gaydar. Hookshot has already pointed out how The Natural will bang your sister, aunt Sally, and the crazy cat lady down the street in the time it takes for you to finish your first Bud Light. So far this season (and the end of last) has shown some signs of, dare I say it, brilliance. Last night he shined. First throwing the speedy Willy Tavares out at third on a tag up. Then in the eighth he jacked his sixth homer only to be followed up in the bottom half of the inning by gunning down some white guy at third base from the warning track. (FYI - if I don’t know a players name I will refer to him as some white, black, yellow, mixed, or latino. Not to offend anyone I just don’t have time to look up who some white guy is from the Rockies.) This is an incredible feat to throw a strike to third from that far away, especially since when he was a pitcher he could not hit the catcher’s glove from 60 feet away. His hitting ability kept Rick in this game we love to watch. Which got me thinking…..Is Rick the second coming of Babe Ruth???
I decided to get RVB on your ass. So hold tight. The first common ground these two lefties have are Ruth and Rick were both 19 to start their major league career, Ankiel was actually the youngest player in the majors in 1999, Ruth was the 8th youngest in 1914. Pitching-wise Ruth and Rick are miles apart. Ruth pitched for about 5 full seasons. Rick tried to pitch for parts of 5 seasons, floundering between ‘99-’04 with control and injuries. Ruth won 18+ games three of those years (94-46 overall), completed 107 games, and had 17 career shutouts. Rick was second on the ballot in 2000 for Rookie of the Year with a 11-7 record (up to this year, the highlight of his career). Baseball has changed dramatically since Ruth pitched almost 100 years ago. Most pitchers had gaudy numbers back then. On to the hitting, Ruth started playing everyday in his 6th major league season. Interestingly, Rick is in his official 6th major league season and is playing everyday (granted Ruth was 24 and Rick is 28). Coincidence? I think not. In Ruth’s first year as a full time outfielder he hit .322/29HR/114RBI. Current projections have Rick hitting .277/30HR/90RBI. Rick will never have the batting average that Ruth withheld over his 22 seasons (lifetime .342). Rick will strike out much more than Ruth and will probably not end up playing 16 more years (compared to Ruth’s 22).
One last thing. After Ruth’s first full-time season he was purchased by the Yankees for $100,000. Factor in inflation, carry the one, divided by the numerator, then multiplied by the denominator and you have approximately $900,000. Which so happens to be what Rick is making this year. Coincidence? Could Rick hold a flame to Ruth’s candle? Probably not and I probably made a terrible case. But he will boink your grandma, secretary, and the hottie who pours your no fat, grande, soy latte from Starbucks (twice) in the time it took you to read this analysis.
Sphere: Related ContentI highly doubt that our Southern Belle’s report on Mulder’s dismal start yesterday is the last we’re going to hearing about Mark Mulder. In fact, given the news that he’s headed to St. Louis to meet with team physician Dr. Paletta for “shoulder fatigue.”
Long time CD reader Will H passed along his father’s impressions of the situation after seeing Mulder pitch in Memphis yesterday.
The Sky Sox got 9 hits and 7 earned runs off Mulder in six innings. He made about 90 pitches, hit 2 batters, and gave up 4 doubles, but he at least kept them in the park. He doesn’t look like he is nearly ready for Big League batters. He has another triple A start on Saturday and the Cardinals have to take some sort of action on him within about a week. If they don’t activate him I’m not sure what the options are but I think it is like this:
1. Release him and pay off the contract
2. Discover another “injury”, shut him down for a while and then repeat the rehab program
3. Trade him
Clearly, number three’s out, unless fuel prices have sent sunflower seed prices skyrocketing and unloading the rest of Mulder’s $6.5 million contract evens that out. Number two’s the most likely option given that $6.5 million Mulder’s due this season. But after October, I’d say that’s it for the Mark Mulder era in STL. The team has an $11 million option on him for 2009, and the staggering amount of that option makes it easy for them to politely part ways.
Fine with me. I’d much rather move on from this sad chapter in Cardinal history.
Making the whole thing easier to stomach is the fact that the Cards are getting decent pitching from other quarters this season, and should have more young arms ready for major league service next year…at a lot less than $11 million. Matt Clement’s the rehab project for a new era anyway.
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Just now the Cardinals have four pitchers rehabbing from injuries and surgeries: Mulder, Carp, Kinney, and Clement. We have high hopes as we await their return to pre-injury, pre-surgery, pre-60-day-DL form. Nothing wrong with that at all.
The problem is that our expectations often run rough-shod over our hopes, turning our wishes into demands.
Clement, I believe, is the farthest away from making a comeback. Carp is on pace, though he is not as far along in the process as are Kinney, who is in Palm Beach making pitches, or Mulder, who is making rehab starts in the minors.
Patience is required, and, believe me, as a group, we at the CD don’t have just a lot of patience. Particularly with Mulder, which is a shame because he really has taken a beating physically. His mechanics, ineffectiveness, and lack of control are the result of injury, not merely losing his stuff (like his former teammate Barry Zito, whom the Giants have now relegated to the bullpen).
Last Wednesday afternoon, Mulder got roped, taking the loss in a rehab start for the AAA Redbirds. 9 runs, 7 earned, in 3.2 innings. Included were 3 home runs, 1 K, and 1 BB. 80 pitches, 47 for strikes (stats courtesy of the 2 websites mentioned.) While he didn’t exactly strike much fear into the opposition (the Salt Lake City Bees, who were 23-2 on the season, and absolutely dominating the PCL), he did not regress either. That is, I believe, reason for guarded optimism. If a pitcher has the occasional wretched outing when he is at his sharpest, then I should think that a wretched outing could be expected during rehab.
Last night’s start wasn’t much better as Mulder absorbed his second loss in as many starts for Memphis. He allowed seven runs on nine hits with two walks and four strikeouts in six innings of work. He threw 90 pitches, 61 for strikes. I’m happy. He lasted longer and K’d more batters.
Coming back from serious illness or injury is tough. And with the abuse an athlete’s body takes, it’s a wonder to me that either of our MIA’s can function at all! If we were to stop and analyze the Mulder situation, though, I think we’d find that much of our aggravation stems from our disgust with those who diagnosed and treated Mulder and then tried to pass it off as strain, inflammation, faulty mechanics, and “arm slot.” We’re more p.o.’d with them than we are with Mark. At least, I am.
The arm bone really is connected to the shoulder bone. Once Mark tweaked that shoulder, his body immediately moved to protect it. Which meant that, subconsciously, he altered his mechanics to ease the irritation. Which resulted in aggravating it even more. By the time the problem was finally ACCURATELY diagnosed, the damage was done physically, and perhaps mentally.
When I saw him pitch in Memphis in ‘06, Mulder’s chest was very nearly parallel to the ground before his arm began forward movement. I have not seen either of the last 2 starts and won’t see Saturday’s start. Consequently, I can’t say whether his mechanics have changed for the better. If those mechanics haven’t been corrected, we will still have a wounded pitcher who may never be effective again. However, if he is driving with his legs and using his back muscles to throw, then we might get some use out of him.
One good thing is that Mark says he feels fine. He says he is improving. He knows he got lit up and that he has to work on control and location. Before now, he was not so willing to discuss any of those issues. That is, I believe, a key to his eventual return.
With regard to said return, there is indeed the question of what to do. The rotation as we now know it is doing fairly well. What, then, would be wrong with Mulder being activated and assigned to Memphis? Let him spend some more time at AAA. The environment is every bit as competitive as the show, but with less pressure. Get in some more innings. Regain speed and refine location and control. Give the shoulder more time to heal.
Regardless of some personal feelings (I know some of my men here really, REALLY don’t like him), the truth is that Mark Mulder is still healing. Even if he is activated and is inserted into the Cardinals rotation (against all my stellar advice herewith!), it may still be awhile before he is 100% physically.
I’ve been shown a lot of grace during my life. Since that has been done for me by family and friends (you faithful CD-ers included), I’m willing to offer the same to Mark Mulder. More than willing.
To all of our rehabbing pitchers: Heal well and thoroughly, Josh, Chris, Mark, and Matt. We’re waiting for you.
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Is it time?
I think it’s time.
It’s 2008’s first openly gay post about Albert Pujols! That’s right friends; a few paragraphs of unmitigated knob slobbing on baseballs’ best player. Yes, baseball’s BEST player. Now at the end of the season, A-Rod might have more HR’s. Miggy might have more RBI’s. Ankiel might have more lays- but El Hombre will the be only motherfucker stout enough to score a game winning run from second on a grounder to the 2 hole. And you can bank that.
Now, you might not have been watching the last 3 innings of the Cards/Rocks game last night- but it was by far the most entertaining game of the season. (Read: blue was awful.) And after a blown call at the plate, punching Molina out to kill a rally in the eighth, it seemed evident that the Cardinals were headed for a tough luck loss. Momentum was shifting further that way when Randy Flores gave up his first run of the season in the bottom half of the inning to tie it at 5.
But then Albert, like a bull in a China shop, scored on a weak dribbler to second, from second. I’ve never seen that. Ever. And that’s why he’s the best- not because of the numbers, but because every night he plays, you have the distinct possibility of seeing something that has never, or rarely ever happens. At the end of the day- that’s why we watch to begin with, right? But if you don’t believe me- here’s some e-mail I received this morning:
“Oh to be a pube in this man’s jock. Or a chube on this man’s chin. I couldn’t think of another man I would rather be reincarnated as than Albert Pujols. I mean being Dave Matthews would be cool, but dude is losing his hair. Barack Obama would be sweet, but too many people make too big of a deal because you are black and speak eloquently. It would have been really fun to be Marshall Faulk in his heyday, but when you fall in the NFL you fall fast. 10 years ago I would have said Tom Cruise, but dude’s head is truly in outer space and up Oprah’s twat. I always admired the guy who created Velcro, but I am sure the royalties have all but dried up. It would be fun to have Ryan Seacrest’s ability to get the interviews and rub shoulders with all sorts of celebrities, but having no actual sexual reproductive parts would soon suck. I have always thought being a late night talk show host would be plush, but I tend to get too high and the Ben ‘n Jerry’s runs out around 10:30 making me full and too stoned to do anything but sleep. That crazy guy from Survivorman is kinda cool with his upbeat harmonica and camera skills, but I like to sleep under blankets or in a sleeping bag and eat processed food. There are only two men that can hold any torch close to AP, Will Smith and Tiger Woods. Will was a rapper, sitcom star, movie star, has a hot wife, adorable child, and a gizillion dollars. Tiger is the greatest golfer EVER and will return to form after his surgery. Hookshot, you hit it on the head when you said you would actually watch golf to see if this guy can intimidate the field to have a bad day and watch Tiger get on the prowl. Those two fellas aside, Albert is GOD! Reached base in EVERY game this season. Leads the league in OBP. Has an insane number of walks (~33). Only star on a line-up of a bunch of white guys who do one or two things great but are so-so at the rest of it. My god he played second base in one game. Pitchers fear him, men envy him, women adore him, children look up to him, and even the retarded like him for his ability to take them in. I can’t believe that we are the same age and he was on the 1998 STL Post Dispatch High School All-Star Baseball Team and Woody wasn’t.”
When stoners take the time to write e-mails like this- you know you’re good…
Sphere: Related ContentRiding Kennedy’s hot bat and inserting it into the two hole brought the Cardinal’s April heat into May. (How’s that for suggestive? And they said reading Forum was a waste.) As I elaborated on last week, I like to see TLR using a contact hitter in the midst of a hitting binge in the two spot. Kennedy managed to get on base in all four of his plate appearances yesterday, and hit RBI singles in two of those PAs.
It’s going to take more than a red hot month or two of swinging the bat to completely erase memories of Kennedy’s awful 2007, and that got me wondering just how sustainable his current torrent really is. Any player with a .381 batting average on balls in play (BABIP) is probably making daily offerings to the same golden calf that the Hillary Clinton campaign has been pleading with to keep alive our dying grasp on our SUVs and fond memories of the dollar gallons that fueled her husband to greatness. His career BABIP is .310, but he’s enjoyed BABIPs over .300 in six of his ten major league seasons, including a .361 BABIP in his 2002 career season. He hit .312/.345/.449 on the way to the Angels World Series that season, putting him on Walt Jocketty’s short list for Cardinal free agent pick ups.
Kennedy’s contact rate this season is 85%, same as his career number. His 27% line drive rate is helping those balls in play turn into hits. That number’s a little high, but not unusual for Kennedy; he had a 27% LD rate in 2006 with the Angels that a BABIP of .313 helped turn into a .273 AVG. Ground balls, which he’s hitting at a rate of 42.9%, have been particularly good to Kennedy. His AVG on ground balls is .276, matching the Cardinals AVG on ground balls as pointed out at VEB today. Compare that to his .192 career AVG on ground balls. Even in 2005, the last season he his AVG topped .300, his AVG on ground balls was just .228; even in that angelic ‘02 season Kennedy’s AVG on ground balls was just .158.
One theory that might explain some of Kennedy’s fortune with ground balls might be his healed and rehabilitated knee, he one that helped endear him to Cardinal fans in the midst of last season’s championship hang over. Fresh legs can be a real ally in stretching out a few of those grounders into hits. The magic eight ball sees a cloudy near future at best for Kennedy’s .326 average. Some more looks in the two spot ought to keep the return to earth from being too painful as he gets a few more pitches to hit in front of Pujols. Also, turning some of those line drives and fly balls into extra base hits and maintaining his 9.7% walk rate will keep a pending drop in batting average from hurting his overall offensive value.
Then again maybe lady luck owes us a ride on his hot bat, his “oil-slicked, luscious, tall wooden bat.”
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I love ATHooks, but I admit that I am insanely jealous of him. He got to see two of the Cardinals-Cubs games live and in person. I, on the other hand, had to make do with watching Friday’s game on WGN, Saturday’s game on Fox, and Sunday’s game on ESPN. I know, I know. Some days I can be a real crybaby.
Friday’s game was annoying because I don’t like listening to the announcers of other teams. Len for-the-life-of-me-I-can’t-remember-his-name and Bob Brenly were the announcers. Usually, and rightly so I suppose, they are pro-Cubs. What I loved, though, was the way they gave particular Cubs down country. Felix Pie: “He needs to think how to help the team rather than to show off like that” (after an errant throw from the outfield). Alfonso Soriano: “He’s still nursing that leg, but it’s time for him to come on and hit for his salary.” Or words to that effect.
I lost my temper completely with Izzy when he blew that save. All that good work by Adam, et al, and he decides to give up the home run. Okay, “decides to” is unfair. But he blew the save, and I screamed at him. Loudly. A lot. Four blown saves out of 13-14 ops. Seems to me he is on the same track he was in ’06, when he blew every 3rd op. Uh-oh. Say it ain’t so!
As for Schu, I keep tellin’ y’all that he is better than you give him credit. Leave him in the lineup every day, with Ankiel and Ludwick. Leave Dunce and the others on the bench to use as pinch-hitters or to give the 3 a day off. Oh, sorry. I forgot that TLR is managing the team, so we couldn’t possibly use the same players every day.
Saturday. Game over almost before it began. That was the first time I had seen Lohse pitch, and I was favorably impressed with him. Even to his declining more lucrative offers with other teams to pitch for the Cardinals. That 6-run inning was an anomaly.
Sunday. The most wonderful invention, bar none, is the TV remote control. Right? Wrong. That little button on said remote control that reads “MUTE” is the greatest invention. Ever. That little bitty button allowed me to watch the game and not have to listen to the idiotic yammerings of Jon Miller and Joe Morgan. Sorry, but they are absolutely the two dumbest baseball announcers in creation. I swan, y’all, they are enough to give me the vapors with their ridiculous commentary. Both of ‘em talk because they know how, not necessarily because they have anything useful to say.
Nice way to redeem yourself, Izzy, but you are still on notice, bub. Oh, and that fly ball that Schu chased down on the warning track? Be thanking heaven that Dunce was not out there. It would have landed for extra bases. (He can hit, but he is a lousy fielder. Trade him to the American League and get something decent for him. That’s my story, and I’m stickin’ to it.)
Anthony down to Memphis, Mike Parisi up to St. Louis. Note to TLR and Duncan: Parisi ain’t broke so don’t try to fix him like you tried to fix Anthony. You’ll ruin him just like you did Anthony. Leave him alone, and let him pitch.
At the end of the day, NL Central: St. Louis, 20-12. In first place. Chicago, 18-13, down by 1.5 games. And in second place. Read ‘em and weep, Cubs fans. Read ‘em and weep.
A little teaser for tomorrow: More on the Mulder rehab starts then.
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UPDATE: I can’t comment anymore on the site. I don’t know why, but it doesn’t let me. But Happy May 5. I’m going to slam some Clamato juice tonight. As of 3:30, I’m headed to the doctor. Fuck this dog.
Friday: At the game. Called Soriano’s HR, but my uncle called the location. Skippy is making a name for himself as a clutch hitter. I wasn’t sold on him when the season started- kind of had him in that great at AAA, below average in the MLB- but he’s had onions through the first month plus. Saturday: At the game, a few rows behind the Cards dugout. I think Troy heard me when I asked very loudly if anyone knows that the only thing rarer than a Glaus 8 jersey at the park is? A Glaus clutch hit. Welcome to the big time Kyle Loshe. Have to be better than that against the Cubs. Sunday: At Chavas in Soulard. Notice how AP has that super-rare ability to always come through on national TV? It’s freaky. We see some of his off days, but in Cali or NY all they see is a fucking monster. Izzy with the save hopefully builds back some confidence… Eight Belles, 2 broken twigs and 1 lethal injection. How was your Derby Day? From the who gives a shit file- this is the first time since 2002 that your faithful auteur has not been in the money. Col. John was a Private pain in my ass… Yaddi is a Hottie has become the new Whazzzzzzzzzup! Incredibly unpalatable and ultra- gay… Your first look at the Upper Deck 2009 NFL card for Donnie Avery 13 catches, 129 yds, 1 TD, 3 FBL, 10 GP. Could warrant a plastic case… Sweet Lou has to wear a 60 pant… I went on the downtown loft tour Sunday. I got bit by a dog. I’ve never been bit by a dog before and to be honest I hate dogs today. Now, for the most part, dogs that live in the city are people friendly. If you see one laying down, tied up to a street sign while it’s owners shop, you can pet it without incident. This fucking mutt snapped and bit my thigh. And frankly, it hurt. Fuck that dog… I don’t think I’ll ever like the Cardinals Sunday hats. They just don’t do it for me… I took shots out of an ice luge on Saturday night. I graduated college 5 years ago. Ladies, come and get it… Kobe 8, MVP. Book it… Laundry sucks… Do me a solid and check out my InsideSTL.com piece HERE…
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